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Why is shame a factor at all in sharing your work?

Good point. I guess because I'm new here I'm not positive on the decorum-policy for self-promotion.

I just make stuff to share with others, so yeah, good point.


Did you actually own it though, per their TOS? What title was granted, if so? Also, and no offense intended truly, I think your having a grand total of 2 followers after 19 years was apart of their risk calculus in this seizure.

Twitter's official position is that accounts/usernames are not assets of their users (this isn't an Elon-era argument, from what I understand). I found this out when they argued in Alex Jones' bankruptcy hearings that his account should not be repossessed/auctioned off, an argument Alex supported since that's where he's been moving his audience over to to keep the cash rolling in no matter what happens.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/27/x-twitter-elon-musk-account-o...


It can’t be that hard for you to think of something digital that you (don’t) own and how you would feel if a comparable situation happened to you.

A TOS isn’t some magical shield from legitimate complaints and scrutiny any more than “it’s the law” makes something morally right.


One should know what contracts one is entering into.

But of course, one reads all of the ToS of every service one uses. It’s just something one does.

No, but one should definitely do it for those services where one is investing their time and resources into in a significant manner such that any disruption would be painful.

These responses strike me as unserious and flippant. You’d never accept these responses if it happened to you with something you care about.

Also, comparing a TOS to a formal contract by two parties is a bit disingenuous. A classic “yes it’s technically true” situation. TOS’s are not treated the same way as a signed and dated formal contract. Not even by companies putting them up. They are lower stakes and often pages and pages of legalese that you also skip over at times.


Unpacking the legal framework someone is operating in isn't the same as endorsing it morally, those are two separate questions worth keeping distinct.

> Also, and no offense intended truly, I think your having a grand total of 2 followers after 19 years was apart of their risk calculus in this seizure.

My account was hijacked via domain/DNS takeover around the time it was acquired by fElon (due to both Crazy Domains and Twitter support's incompetence — both parties removed 2FA from my accounts, even despite me telling Crazy Domains specifically never to do so). I managed to recover both accounts after kicking up a fuss, but the hijacker was midway through an 3rd party account wiping script, and I'd lost all my followers because of that.

I had 33,300+ tweets in 2015, and a lot of that was private interaction with friends.


couldn't your name have been changed by your hijacker and sold?

How does this compare to OpenProse, it looks similar? https://openprose.ai/

Are the two competitive or additive?


hadn't seen this before, but it looks like the daemon schedules and watch conditions could be helpful for activating openprose contracts.

Yes, exactly.

"Driving is legal. Drinking is legal. But drinking and driving is not legal."


One kills people the other makes people, they're not the same.


You know what really makes people? Polygamy. And I want my f*king human rights, now! Just like President Jimmi Carta says.


Or, to be true to the original:“Driving is legal, and drinking is legal; but driving an alcoholic beverage is not legal.”

Maybe it’s just not street legal but you could do it on a race track?


> driving an alcoholic beverage is not legal

Not sure, probably isn't street legal. But for the curious, it has been done before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fqpp-IAXF0&t=25s


People forget Carlin was a comedian.

"It's a big club and you ain't in it". Obviously the problem is the club is too small, that's why for most of the people it is true that they are not part of it.

"Half the population is stupider than how stupid the average person is". As if somehow there's not a single person exactly on the median. In fact there is probably a huge number of people there, and within a margin of error of it.


> People forget Carlin was a comedian.

That would seem to include you?


How do you figure? I don't have a problem with Carlin, but with people who quote him as a source of wisdom.

The commenter who quoted him here in the thread meant to make a joke and I didn't get it? I thought he quoted him as a point against the law we are discussing.


You're semantically quibbling with a clear joke and using those quibbles to avoid engaging with the point it's making.


> "Selling is legal, and fucking is legal; but selling fucking is not legal."

I don't get it. The literal interpretation is a clear joke, as you say. So what's the point that it is making?

To be clear, I think the law discussed is stupid. I also think the argument that if both parts are legal they should also be legal together is wrong. What am I avoiding?


I'm referring to the two other jokes you quoted.


What was I avoiding with those?

I am quite acquainted with Carlin. If there's anyone that can have their absurd logic repeated back to them, it would be a comedian. And That Right Soon.


Maybe an icon on hover or a small static icon but the latter could get repetitive, the hover would solve the repetition.


My jaw did drop. This could pair really well with a hybrid bread crumb + menu that gives you an escape hatch or granular on demand traversal. Love it!


Thank you!!


Slop is just what you are not expending calories on to bring into your cognitive workspace.


Who will investigate it? Who will do anything about it? What can be done?


Why should anything be done? This is what America voted for.

We get another vote in November. Americans can express whether they think this was a good idea or not. If they aren't overwhelmingly opposed to it, then democracy has spoken.

At that point it will be up to the rest of the world to decide what to do about a nation that has, and will continue to, invade other countries, apparently unprovoked.


The rule of law should apply to everyone, if government officials are breaking the law and being protected by the executive branch that's a sign of deep disfunction in your system


Jeebus, this is dark.

This is why I can't vote.

I can't give my ethical status as a human over to what the masses of folks in the US think is okay. It's kind of a disgusting proposition.

Like, you who are in the thuick of it, you who have given your voice over to empire, you expect the rest of the world to do something about the horrors done in your name just because... what?

The assholes you live around "voted" to do something evil, lesser or greater?

And now you're doing evil, too? And it is, somehow, "up to the rest of the world?"

That's bleak and you really should think if "democracy" (or it's pale ghost that haunts US politics) is doing anything useful for your status as an ethical human.

It's entirely possible that you indeed do have such a boot on your neck that you really can't resist the power of empire in its core, but for [insert your preferred diety here]'s sake, you don't have to roll your soft belly over and take the kicks.


Yeah. I vote for the lesser evil. My ethical status is less important to me than trying to make the world a better place, even if imperfectly.

I believe that my ethical status would be in more jeopardy right now if I could have prevented a clearly criminal war, and chose not to. My actions, not the actions of others, determine my ethical state.

It does mean I face an ethical quandary now. Thus far I have upheld the social contract of democracy. I have not broken it in an attempt to end this war. That is an ethical stain on me, which I live with as best I can. It is my inaction, not the actions of the country, which stain me.

I will vote again when I can, and right now I'm going to hope that ends the war. That will not be sufficient, but one of my moral principles is "It is not your duty to finish the work, but neither are you at liberty to neglect it".

If it suffices... then it suffices, and I will do my best with what happens after that. If it does not suffice, then I will be faced with an even worse moral quandary, and I hope I find the strength to do whatever seems right in that dire circumstance.


I recommend Jon Stewart's podcast with Heather Cox Richardson from this week. They talk about the ceding and concentration of power, and how we the people can take ours back. Not something that can happen in a midterm or maybe even the next ten years. But at least we are talking about it more and their words will help us articulate things better to our neighbors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwX9wC6Ov2Y


The people that investigate Trump are fired or pushed out


How does this compare to https://github.com/alibaba/page-agent?


PageAgent doesn't have the strong page understanding - semantic tree representation of the pages - it's just a flat DOM basic stripping of HTML - which makes it hard to navigate shadow DOMs, even same origin iframes for that matter or diff frameworks. And also they do element marking - CUA style not sure if they use it in the actual calls to Qwen. And yeah, as arjun takes 30 steps to even do a basic task of find some info.

What we strengthened building agents working on 2M+ web workflows in the past 4 months - is our representation of pages that seamlessly helps agents go through any page old to new iframes, shadow-DOMs and more. Best part of Rover if you as website owner enable cross-origin reqs, say Doordash has Rover and a merchant be like get my restaurant menu from my website and update in Doordash. Rover agent determines the 3P website need, launches our cloud browser to securely execute 3P site actions gets the menu and updates the merchant menu on Doordash so your users never have to leave your site to do a task - one of a kind enabling cross-site interactions


Also PageAgent's DOM based understanding is pretty simple and based on top of Browser-Use's approach.

On the other hand we construct our own custom Agent Accessibility Trees to represent webpages to models. This approach leads to twice as good performance in WebBench of 300+ tasks (81% vs 40%)


I appreciate the responses and will be looking deeply into Rover. Thank you.


I actually tried out PageAgent it was reaaaally slow, and not that accurate.

You can actually try it out on our own site rtrvr.ai


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