Spent billions on an unnecessary and ILLEGAL war that killed innocent people, American and allied soldiers, depleted your weapons, burned every ally you had in the world, created millions of enemies and potential terrorists, increased prices for your population, SO MUCH WINNING.
And we have not nearly seen the end of it!
Today I heard that the regime in the USA is considering PUNISHMENT for NATO allies for not joining the war that is just an excursion, even though they were not obligated to join or help, they also were not consulted or even informed in any way about the 'plans'.
And they weren't even needed, according to the clown that millions of easily manipulated Americans voted for.
I feel nothing but disgust for that country right now.
Just ask it for a summary of the USA’s role in Iran, Gaza, Lebanon and its recent threats against Panama, Cuba and Greenland! It might be able to keep track.
Ask Gemini today if the United States is trying to destroy the nation of Iran, and it will feed you the (white-washed) party line, straight from the White House, with a bit of 'some people disagree' thrown in. No mention of America's threats of "Complete annihilation", "Killing a civlization", and all the rest.
> Summary: The U.S. is currently engaged in an active war aimed at dismantling the Iranian government and its military capabilities, but it distinguishes this from destroying the country or its people. However, the humanitarian impact—including civilian casualties from airstrikes and the domestic crackdown by Iranian security forces—has led many international observers to warn that the campaign risks long-term instability and "state collapse" rather than a simple transition of power.
It does do quite a bit better if you ask it about the genocide in Gaza, summarizing the case for it, and citing only token justifications from the guilty party.
As of April 2026, Gemini is... For very obvious reasons, highly biased towards cultural consensus. If your cultural consensus is strong on some really messed up things, that's the outcome that it's going to give you.
> Isn't there a difference between the models output reflecting the mean of public discourse and the active adjustment of information by the government?
Not as much a difference as you would wish, as mean of public discourse is very actively managed, to our collective detriment, by a very small group of powerful people, which often includes the government. It's the nature of mass media, and the incestuous relationship between power and reach.
They Thought They Were Free, and all that. By the time the 'mean of public discourse' centers on something incredibly stupid or awful, nobody can be arsed to figure out who planted that idea in our heads.
I don't think so, from my peer group I don't see this bias. It really is a difference of opinion. Now you can say half the country is brain washed by propaganda, but those people would say the same of you.
In reality it's only the terminally online that seem to create these narratives.
My point isn't to pick one side or the other, but agreeing with the other poster that the LLMs are not trained specifically to parrot administration propaganda.
Imagine eastern models were only trained on chinese official news. Would you call that an unbiased, uncensored LLM? Would it be practically different from just directly censoring the LLM?
In the west, especially in the USA, rich capitalists and warmongers control the narrative put forth in the news, which gets fed to the LLMs, which results in what you could call auto-censorship.
They manipulate the training data instead of censoring the model, but the result is the same.
As far as I'm aware there's no media government control in democratic western countries (yet).
The LLMs aren't trained on "official news", if there's such a thing in Western countries - at best government press releases, is that what you mean by "official news"?
So I don't see how that's censoring/manipulation of an LLM.
Like for example, Wikipedia is a Western construction and would never exist in China, or Russia, without government supervision (rendering it useless).
When you say "rich capitalists and warmongers control the narrative", where does that happen? I mean practically.
It's like your conception of western media is similar to China and Russia, where censorship, control and filters are applied.
> They manipulate the training data instead of censoring the model, but the result is the same.
> When you say "rich capitalists and warmongers control the narrative", where does that happen? I mean practically.
i don't agree with the hyperbolic nature of the op here but if you're sincerely interested in the question this is what chomsky and herman (imo quite persuasively) argue in Manufacturing Consent. attaching a profit motive to the distribution of new information, particularly in an economy that tends towards centralization of, necessarily biases what news is printed.
it's certainly not as visually dramatic or directly controlled an effect as the prc's top-down model, but markets are effective.
But that's just conflicting a lot of things that I don't think it's western manipulation and censorship of LLMs:
- manufacturing consent isn't a silver bullet, and it's much harder now with the internet - how did it work for the current events? Gaza war, Venezuela, Canada, Greenland, Iran war? Not saying the administration didn't try, but again, it isn't a silver bullet and doesn't seem to have an impact on the vast majority of LLMs - maybe Grok is the exception because it was done with that intent.
- information isn't centralized in western countries, though in the case of Trump he tries to centralize attention, successfully. But that doesn't seem to bend how events are portrait in reality and in LLMs.
The thing is, a lot of people that got fed into anti western narrative use magical thinking to believe countries from USA, Europe, Japan, Australia are all organized - orchestrated by the US.
This is insanity ofc, like, trade deals between these countries take years to be organized, but somehow everything is a conspiracy to be in the same informational tune?
It's surely disingenuous to only criticize one actor and always stay silent or even defend another. But it's disengenuous as well if criticism on one actor is never accepted with the argument "but you didn't criticize Xyz as well!"
Put 1B into a better product and 10B into marketing. If you can’t beat their 1B in revenue, the market for making your money back on the Cursor acquisition also isn’t there.
Speaking of well chosen words. If you have to put "funny" between quotes at the beginning of a sentence, just tell us how you really feel.
I fully understand the people who say it's all about control.
I also understand why politicians feel they have to do something. My wife works with low IQ, low income and otherwise underprivileged kids. The completely unsupervised 'iPad' generation, if you will.
There are no adults in their lives. The 'adults' in their lives are mentally children, emotionally unavailable or working too many hours to do a good job at parenting. You cannot expect them to take any responsibility.
Also, every one of my 3 children has had classmates looking up porn during class. It starts around age 7-8 nowadays and it's always the same demographic.
Let's take an example with a current project of law from Macron (french president):
"Some people can't support their health condition, and they should be helped to die". This end of life law is introduced like a care service for people having issue with health with no happy ending at sight.
The reality of the vision of Macron (liberale capitalist) is: All his actions are made to kill public health care, and aims to open the field to private corporate.
People in need of bed at hospital are denied (public beds are getting more and more cut).
People in need of teams for mental care are denied (public teams are getting more and more cut and overbooked).
People in need are juste denied. They cant' pay? great, they can now legally choose death, it will be legal. Next client please. Everyone who can't pay doesn't need to feel a weight on his family/friend. Yay :/
This law is shown like a right of care, all the population can be legally targeted, while they could just have the right of health care and stay alive in decent condition. This could be another solution, but it doesn't meet Macron (and its sponsors) ultra capitalist's vision of open market.
Note: current concerned people are the first to call a big NOPE on this law.
I think you see where I go:
I think you're highlighting a true and very important problem (I've worked 10 years with children, i confirm your point), but the current solution brings more issues than what it is supposed to solve, same for Macron's end of life law. Having a problem doesn't mean you have to risk the full society in a Orwellien way.
Sorry im not english speaking native, hope you understand more my feeling ?
It might help to broaden your perspective a bit and look at multiple sources, before you spread rumours like they are facts.
Under Emmanuel Macron, France has been debating a law on “assisted dying” (aide à mourir). This is not a general idea that “some people should be helped to die,” but a narrowly defined proposal.
The draft would apply only in very specific situations:
- Adults (18+)
- With a serious and incurable illness
- Often life-threatening or terminal
- Experiencing unbearable suffering
- Who make a voluntary and well-considered request
If approved, the patient would typically self-administer the medication. Only if physically unable would a doctor be allowed to assist.
For context, Netherlands already has a regulated system for euthanasia. This policy allowed my terminally ill grandmother to pass away with dignity. She hated her final days, being bedridden, in pain, and dependent on others for basic needs like taking a shit.
Because of this policy, she was able to say goodbye to everyone she loved, over 100 family members, and make her own decision. No one questioned her choice.
Honestly, that’s the kind of dignity and control I would want for myself if I would ever end up in that situation.
I'm not trying to spread rumours, i said i wasn't english native, sorry if there is a misunderstanding.
Almost 100% of the population that is targeted by this law *should* not need it. When I said "people can't pay [for private paliative healthcare because public healthcare is going to be more and more broken]" I was talking about the people in the criteria of the law, not "all" the people.
I don't have the exact number, but for people under heavy care needs, palliative care, only something like x% (this is the number i cant recall, less says it's a "part") could ask themselves if they should access this end of life because science + our healthcare system cant do much more.
The other part, if they think about end of life is because the health care system failed them. Because in France public palliative healthcare teams are on budget cuts. Those people should have physical and mental healthcare, instead, they have just what the teams can do best as they can cuts after cuts. What happend when you are in paliative care, and there is no team to help your mental health? What could you think about and what does this law allow ?
There is no kind or dignity in Macron's law.
Really, we could save a "part" of that population, but instead priorise to allow them to die, for supposed kindness. True kindness would have been to focus to provide a decent public healthcare system especially in paliative field, for example, right ? (But Macron effort are to destroy the healthcare system and, in my opinion, not a rumour, that it is Orweilien to propose this law in this specific context in France)
I think you should let someone explain Macron's law to you, because you're clearly unable to understand how it works and why it is being proposed even though I wrote a pretty clear explanation for you.
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